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PL do you have a citation for #5?

ckafrica wrote:PL do you have a citation for #5?

Don't know about mutations, but it apparently can cause organ damage.

Bullshit like engineering corn to produce pesticides is exactly why people think that GM foods aren't safe. Which they are, unless you specifically engineer them to produce poison. Christ.

ckafrica wrote:PL do you have a citation for #5?

I'm afraid its from a documentary I watched casually on TV, I don't even have the name, but it was from a reputable channel.

I recall it very specifically though because the whole thing with actual genetic modifications jumping across to the consuming animal was a really big thing because at the time it was claimed that it wasn't possible.

Though apparently the mutations jumping across to bacteria living in your guts is now rather widely recognized as a common occurrence.

Look this guy here seems to be on top of this one, plenty of references in his material too. And knowing Monsanto's history I believe everything he says about the test results they are trying to pretend don't exist.

Oh, and apparently Monsanto is now claiming a patent on the Pig. In general. All of them. They say they own the pig. Really. Give them money if you dare to breed one. Etc...

I've found a cool Monsanto documentary, I'm going to watch it and see if its the one I remember.

Wait, they own all pigs now? What the fuck?

Koumei wrote:Wait, they own all pigs now? What the fuck?

Sure. Why not? Monsanto owns "corn" and "wheat" and I think "rice".

The government of the US let people put patents on genes that that they discovered through sequencing and identification. Which would be vaguely justifiable as a way to encourage private research (I mean, I would hope that th guy who discovered heat-resistance polymerase has a mercedes full of cheerleaders), except that they decided that owning a patent on the gene did not simply allow you to own inserting that gene transgenicly into new organisms. Apparently "owning" the gene allows you to own every process that references that gene or which duplicates that gene.

But any gene gets duplicated every time a cell grows. And you know, billions upon billions of times every time an organism reproduces. So that definition of gene ownership is fucking insane.

-Username17

Don't forget 'soy', their first victory.

Since they didn't insert the gene for making their soy infertile, it bred with all the soy of the world. No one in the world can grow soy without their genes in it now because it spread by the winds.

When Monsanto decides to roll into town and test your seeds, they will find their gene and then sue the guy with the seed ricer and put him out of business so the farmers must buy Monsanto seeds.

They don't even have an option to grow the seeds they've been growing for the last hundred years.

-Crissa

Yeah, we're pretty much fucked.

Yummy! Ammonia-Treated Pink Slime Now in Most U.S. Ground Beef

According to today's New York Times, The "majority of hamburger" now sold in the U.S. now contains fatty slaughterhouse trimmings "the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil," "typically including most of the material from the outer surfaces of the carcass" that contains "larger microbiological populations."

This "nasty pink slime," as one FDA microbiologist called it, is now wrung in a centrifuge to remove the fat, and then treated with AMMONIA to "retard spoilage," and turned into "a mashlike substance frozen into blocks or chips".

I'm feeling sick just reading this

tzor wrote:Yummy! Ammonia-Treated Pink Slime Now in Most U.S. Ground Beef

According to today's New York Times, The "majority of hamburger" now sold in the U.S. now contains fatty slaughterhouse trimmings "the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil," "typically including most of the material from the outer surfaces of the carcass" that contains "larger microbiological populations."

This "nasty pink slime," as one FDA microbiologist called it, is now wrung in a centrifuge to remove the fat, and then treated with AMMONIA to "retard spoilage," and turned into "a mashlike substance frozen into blocks or chips".

I'm feeling sick just reading this

My wife showed me a video of this. They pack it into cardboard boxes in these horrible looking cubes.

Didn't I have a whole thread about this? Oh, yeah...

-Crissa

Bashing scientology was the bees' knees once. But anyway, Xenu's at it again.

http://gawker.com/5451086/john-travolta ... e-of-haiti

End of assist.

Shadowrun "fashion body armor" is here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/fashi ... ET.html?hp

Goat Breaks Into Strip Club

Bribes in Afghanistan Equal Almost a Forth of GNP

K wrote:Shadowrun "fashion body armor" is here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/fashi ... ET.html?hp

This bit jumped out at me:

...it is illegal to wear a bulletproof vest in the commission of a crime...

Cindy McCain opposes Prop 8.

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission

Who runs the country now? Goldman Sachs, AIG, etc.

CatharzGodfoot wrote:Bail bonds subsidized by government, kick backs to officials.

I heard about that on NPR on Friday. Basically, funds were cut to programs that would keep people out of jail before their trial, which save huge amounts to tax-payers for not having to house them, but the bail bondsmen complained that this was hurting their business. So, they lobbied heavily to get rid of the program.

End result: the tax payers take a huge burden so the bail bondsmen can make a fraction of that.

Story of an American hero.

"I'm not inviting people to do anything. I'd like them to think. I do think that helping people control their fertility is highly consistent with helping people be responsible citizens of the planet. If somebody misunderstands it or tries to distort it, I don't give a shit. I'm sorry, I'm living in this country because I can say what I think."

CatharzGodfoot wrote:Story of an American hero.

Thank you for sharing that one.

CatharzGodfoot wrote:Story of an American hero.

"What brings you here?" Dr Hern asked.
"I have to have an abortion."
"Why?"
"I'm not old enough to have a baby."
"But you told the counsellor we should all be killed?"
"Yes, you should all be killed."
"Why?"
"Because you do abortions."
"Me too?"
"Yes, you should be killed, too."
"Do you want me killed before or after I do your abortion?"
"Before."

CatharzGodfoot wrote:Story of an American hero.

Thanks for sharing that. Talk about rage-inducing. Fucking conservative assholes.

Prison bans DND.

Also, that rape thing is horrific. Reminds me of this airforce forum I read last year where officers were bragging about how a large percentage of women started retracting their rape accusations after being subjected to harsh interrogation. Despicable.

Christ, I gotta share that rape thing.